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Station 4: Does the Old Testament contradict the New Testament?

How to use this outline

 

This outline is not a lesson. This outline contains a lot of useful information for the servant, but not necessarily for the targeted age group. It is good for the servant to be familiar with the breadth of the material even if only focusing on one or two things in depth. This will give confidence in preparing and presenting the message, as well as in being able to answer any questions about it. This is part of the servant's faithful preparation. God the Holy Spirit will bring to your remembrance the right information at the right time - but you must first be faithful in studying and ingesting it!

  1. Read the below information as an introduction to the topic.
    • Two in-depth examples are provided for the last category (these are not necessarily covered by the attached resources, so I thought to cover them in-depth here as an example of how to comprehensively cover the material)
  2. Review the provided resources
  3. Ask questions for clarification
  4. Filter the material to be appropriate for the age group
    • You may want to focus on just a few specific examples, or you may want to mention some of them that are more applicable to your age group, or you may want to mention the categories in general and speak generally
    • For example, MS studied Genesis this year and might be concerned with the Flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, Abraham and Isaac (as opposed to Laws of Moses or Jephthah). Conversely, HS studied Judges this year and may have lingering questions related to Jephthah or the Levite's Concubine
    • Also, it may be inappropriate to discuss the question of "a rape victim marrying her rapist" in Middle School
  5. Prepare the presentation of the material (i.e. some activity or creative presentation of the material). Simply aggregating the material into a power point may be ineffective.

Introduction

  • In the first Canticle, we chant "The Lord is a man of war; the Lord is His name. Pharaoh's chariots and his army He has cast into the sea" (Exodus 15:3) - we oftentimes don't consider the words that we are saying. The Lord is a man of War.
  • At the end of that same Midnight Praise, we chant "O King of Peace grant us Your peace establish for us Your Peace and forgive us our sins" - The Lord is the King of Peace. We read in the New Testament that God is "the Lord of Peace" (2 Thessalonians 3:16)
  • Are these two statements at odds with one another? Are they talking about two different Persons? Two different gods? 
  • It is common for Atheists to make similar claims regarding "the God of the Old Testament"
    • Famed atheist Richard Dawkins wrote: "The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully." (The God Delusion - Richard Dawkins p31)
    • This is not a new idea - in the 1st Century, Marcion rose up and claimed Jesus is a separate god sent by the god of Israel, who had created the world, and who was vengeful. Marcion made his own biblical canon, wrote his own gospel, and was excommunicated by the Church in 144 AD.
  • "The God of the Old Testament" question usually arises with an example of one of the following:
    • Things done by characters in the Old Testament
    • Things God commanded the Israelites to do in the Old Testament
    • Things God, Himself, did in the Old Testament
    • Things God SAID in the Old Testament (i.e. the Law)

Bad Arguments

Before looking at the categories in depth, we should address some "Bad Answers." When presented with the question of "The God of the Old Testament", Protestants typically provide one of the following two answers:

  • None of this stuff ever happened
    • "These are just stories" - "These are for a moral lesson" - etc.
    • This is not an Orthodox Perspective
    • If these things are fiction, and God could have chosen to reveal Himself in any way that He wanted, then that means God chose to reveal Himself with fictional acts of war, etc. That is way worse than the reality!
    • We are getting God's perspective on these real events that happened
    • Definitely, in the time of the Old Testament, there was a lot of war and a lot of evil things... and Israel was a part of that world. So if you remove these specific events from history, you're not removing evil from Israel's history, but you're removing God's perspective on it.

  • God didn't change, man just didn't understand him back then [but now we do]
    • "The people at that time were really primitive and we find their primitive understanding of God" - "They thought God wanted them to do this, but it wasn't" - "Now we understand what God really wants"
      • usually Protestants mean 'the enlightenment' or 'the reformation' is what brought us to the understanding of what God really wants
    • This redefines the Scripture from something given by God, to being human speculation about God, which opens up criticism in the New Testament as well (e.g. "St Paul didn't understand women" etc.). Now the Scripture is not authoritative, but I am authoritative over the Scripture
    • This is still not a sufficient answer to the question because it doesn't answer "why" but only answers "what now" (i.e. "we have left this behind)
    • Note: This is not to be confused with the concept that God reveals Himself more and more over time (i.e. milk vs solid food)

I recommend not providing these "bad arguments" when presenting the lesson, but rather being familiar with how to answer them if they come up. These are typically the arguments given by mainline Protestants who want to defend the Scripture.

Things OT Characters Did

Just because it is in the Scripture does not mean it is approved by God, or a model for good behavior, or encouraged by the Church. The following are some commonly arisen examples that you can research and prepare with.

  • Lot'sLot offering of his daughters to the men of Sodom
  • The whole book of Judges but especially:
    • The Levite's Concubineconcubine
    • Jephthah's Daughterdaughter

See Chapter 5 subsection "The Unfortunate Concubine" in Floods, Plagues, Wars... and a Loving God? by Fr Gabriel Wissa.

See Chapter 6 subsection "Lot and His Daughters" and subsection "Jephthah's Daughter" in God is a Man of War by Fr Stephen de Young

  • Things God told Israel to do

    • The Conquest ofcommanded the Israelites intoto Canaando is probably the most common form of the "God ofin the Old Testament" argument. 

    Testament
    • WhyConquest of Canaan
  • Things God, Himself, did God commandin the conqueringOld of the Canaanites?
  • Were the Canaanites really annihilated by the Israelites? Were they supposed to be?
  • Why didn't God give them another chance?
  • Why did God single out the Canaanites, a single ethnic group?

    • See Chapter 31 in Timeless Truth in Truthless Times by George Bassilios.

    See Chapters 5-6-7-8-9 in Floods, Plagues, Wars... and a Loving God? by Fr Gabriel Wissa.

    See Lesson 2.9 of ACTS 3023 for a Comprehensive Undertaking of the Canaanite War

    Things God Did

    The most common items in this category are:

    Testament
    • The Flood in the time of Noah
    • The Destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah
    • The Plagues in the time of MosesEgypt (and especially the death of the firstborn)

    And the main question in both cases stems down to "where was God's mercy?"

    See Chapters 2-3-4 in Floods, Plagues, Wars... and a Loving God? by Fr Gabriel Wissa.

    See Lesson 2.8 of ACTS 3023 for a Comprehensive Undertaking of the Flood

    SAID

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    • Asking Abraham to sacrifice Isaac
    • Laws concerning women
    • Laws concerning slaves
    • An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth

    Typically, someone who

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    • SeeExample Lesson 2.10 of ACTS 3023 for a Comprehensive Undertaking of Slavery, Women's Rights and Eye for an Eye

    The Slavery topic 

    Example: "God forced women to marry their rapists"

    One common "TikTok" argument is about God "forcing a woman to marry her rapist." This is a mischaracterization, misrepresentation and misinterpretation of Deuteronomy 22:22-29

    22 “If a man is found lying with a woman married to a husband, then both of them shall die—the man that lay with the woman, and the woman; so you shall put away the evil from Israel.

    23 “If a young woman who is a virgin is betrothed to a husband, and a man finds her in the city and lies with her, 24 then you shall bring them both out to the gate of that city, and you shall stone them to death with stones, the young woman because she did not cry out in the city, and the man because he humbled his neighbor’s wife; so you shall put away the evil from among you.

    25 “But if a man finds a betrothed young woman in the countryside, and the man forces her and lies with her, then only the man who lay with her shall die. 26 But you shall do nothing to the young woman; there is in the young woman no sin deserving of death, for just as when a man rises against his neighbor and kills him, even so is this matter. 27 For he found her in the countryside, and the betrothed young woman cried out, but there was no one to save her.

    28 “If a man finds a young woman who is a virgin, who is not betrothed, and he seizes her and lies with her, and they are found out, 29 then the man who lay with her shall give to the young woman’s father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife because he has humbled her; he shall not be permitted to divorce her all his days.

    (Deuteronomy 22:22-29)

    Verse 22 re-iterates the general commandment against adultery - if a man is engaging in sexual relations with another man's wife, they should both be put to death. Then, two other cases are put forward. If a man lies with a woman who is betrothed - not married - to another man in the city, this is treated as adultery and incurs the same penalty. However, if it happens outside of the city, the woman is not punished but only the man. Why?

    The distinction between the city or countryside hinges on the woman's ability to cry out for help (verse 24, 27). The issue is not even whether or not she cried out for help, but whether she could have been heard if she had. The woman is not interrogated or questioned in any way. This is actually more merciful than our current society's treatment of rape... nowadays, a woman is called to testify publicly and suffer even more public humiliation. But the procedure here outlined by God protects women from further victimization.

    If the act occurred in a place where she could not have been heard, she is given the benefit of the doubt and assumed not to be complicit. The man is held guilty and subject to the death penalty. The woman is completely innocent and in the eyes of the Torah, she is still a virgin. Her betrothal is still valid, and she is able to be part of a lawful marriage. Her rape is equated to murder (verse 26) and she is no more guilty than a victim of murder is. She does not need to prove her resistance or rejection. In the case of an accusation where it's her word against his, it is HER word that is to be believed and the man is treated as sexually immoral and executed.

    The idea that she would be "forced to marry her rapist" as many claim - is preposterous.

    But we move to the next two verses (28 and 29) which deal with a woman who is a virgin and is not betrothed. This command serves a different purpose than the ones that preceded it. While the former sought to advance the innocence of betrothed rape victims and prevent their punishment, the latter is aimed at preventing the sexual exploitation of unmarried young women. They are unrelated, as is evidenced by the fact that there is no penalty of death. What is being described here is not a rape. No one accuses the woman (or even the man) of anything for the act in verses 28 and 29.

    The confusion in modern times comes from the word "seizes her" which is overinterpreted. The Hebrew word means "take" or "acquire" and simply means that a man "takes to himself" an un-betrothed virgin (not by force). The status of women in the ancient world was different than it is today. A woman "belonged" to her father and later on to her husband - not because she was equal to property, but so that she would be provided for. Women did not pursue careers or have income in those days, so it was necessary that they be provided for. 

    God's commandments and Law in the Old Testament protected women from the objectification that other societies subjected them to. For example, in God's commandments, women could inherit property (e.g. daughters of Zelophehad). In God's commandments, women were not to be blamed or shamed in the case of rape where the woman could not have cried out for help (see above).

    One such provision made for women is this one in verses 28 and 29. That if a man took a woman's virginity - even by mutual consent - he was entitled to marry her, pay her dowry, and provide for her the rest of her life. He was not allowed to ever divorce her. 

    Why pay a dowry if she is not like property? Because the woman has value. In these ancient agrarian societies, a daughter is a valuable part of her family in working the land and helping to provide for its needs. When a new husband took a woman from her father's house, he was depriving the father of someone of real value. He was making life more difficult for her family of origin. The dowry, then, is a way of compensating a father for the loss of his daughter.

    What if he hadn't married her? She would never be able to contract a legal marriage because she had lost her virginity. At the death of her father, she would be left without a home and without any means of support. She would be forced to beg or become a harlot. The point of this commandment is justice for the woman. By taking her possibility at a normal future, a man becomes responsible for her future. 

    Example:1: An Eye for an Eye and a Tooth for a Tooth

    23 But if any harm follows, then you shall give life for life, 24 eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, 25 burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.

    (Exodus 21:23-24)

    We read the above commandment from God in the Old Testament, and then the below from the Lord Jesus Christ in the New Testament during the Sermon on the Mount.

    38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ 39 But I tell you not to resist an evil person. But whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also. 40 If anyone wants to sue you and take away your tunic, let him have your cloak also. 41 And whoever compels you to go one mile, go with him two. 42 Give to him who asks you, and from him who wants to borrow from you do not turn away.

    (Matthew 5:38-42)

    Clearly,How do we reconcile the fact that God has changed his mind, right?

    This is yet another example where understanding the culturalunchanging, and historical context is important. What is the Spirit of the Law in the Old Testament? Didthat God think and command that the best way to react to something was in an equal and opposite reaction?

    Actually, the "eye for an eye" commandment in the Old Testament wasis an UPGRADE for humankind at the time. In those days, people were not satisfied by simply retaking what was stolen from them, or killing the person who killed their brother. They took their revenge in terribly brutal ways. For example, in the time of Jacob, his daughter Dinah was raped by Shechem the Hivite. In order to obtain revenge for their sister, Simeon and Levi (her brothers) killed all the males of the land including Shechem. They were not satisfied simply killing Shechem, but they exacted a personal act of revenge. Given this context, an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth would have been merciful.

    Now how do we reconcile this with the Lord's commandmentGod in the New Testament?Testament and is the Lord Jesus Christ - with this seeming contradiction?

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    Example 2: The Conquest of Canaan

    When the SpiritLord your God brings you into the land which you go to possess, and has cast out many nations before you, the Hittites and the Girgashites and the Amorites and the Canaanites and the Perizzites and the Hivites and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and mightier than you, and when the Lord your God delivers them over to you, you shall conquer them and utterly destroy them. You shall make no covenant with them nor show mercy to them.

    (Deuteronomy 7:1-2)

    But of the Lawcities of these peoples which the Lord your God gives you as an inheritance, you shall let nothing that breathes remain alive, but you shall utterly destroy them: the Hittite and the Amorite and the Canaanite and the Perizzite and the Hivite and the Jebusite, just as the Lord your God has commanded you

    (Deuteronomy 20:16)

    Joshua turned back at the time and took Hazor, and struck its king with the sword; for Hazor was formerly the head of all those kingdoms. And they struck all the people who were in it with the edge of the sword, utterly destroying them. There was none left breathing. Then he burned Hazor with fire.

    (Joshua 11:10-11)

    The Lord, in the Old Testament, we can see thatcommanded the Spiritconquest and annihilation of the LawCanaanites by the Israelites and it seemed to have been carried out by Joshua to the letter of the command. And yet the Lord, in the New Testament, commands us to love our enemies...

    But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you

    (Matthew 5:44)

    How do we reconcile the fact that God is unchanging, and that God in the Old Testament is God in the New Testament and is the same.Lord ItJesus has not changed. It is mercy. But mercy in the Old Testament looked a little bit different than mercy in the New TestamentChrist - notwith becausethis Godseeming has changed, or the definition of mercy has changed; but because by then God had led His Creation to grow out of its barbaric behavior. The people had grown in righteousness. God gradually teaches His children the way to righteousness.contradiction?

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    • Lesson 2.9 of ACTS 3023 for a Comprehensive Undertaking of the Canaanite War

    Example 3: The Flood

    Genesis 6-9 is notthe thatstory of Noah and the peopleArk hadand atthe firstGlobal misunderstoodFlood orbrought misinterpretedabout God's commandment, but it's thatby God wasto givingwipe Hisout commandmentall of Creation (i.e.with mercy)the exception of Noah, his family, and the animals on the ark). This story has many different realms in Apologetics:

    • Scientific: Did the Flood actually happen?
    • Biblical: Other ancient civilizations have a wayflood thatnarrative... theydid couldMoses digest.

      just borrow a fairy tale he learned growing up?

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    • How hascould grownGod regret making man? Did God make a mistake? (Genesis 6:6-7)

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      • "I fed you with milk and not with solid food; for until now you were not able to receive it, and even now you are still not able; for you are still carnal." (1 Cor 3:2-3)

      "For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the basic principles of the oracles of God. You need milk, not solid food, for everyone who lives on milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, since he is a child." (Hebrews 5:12-13)

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